Comments on: We are Legion http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/ Energies of the Trinity © Perry C. Robinson 2004-2009 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:42:15 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Photios Jones http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1610 Photios Jones Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:30:04 +0000 http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1610 It was an okay essay. I thought there were some real problems with it in some places. As I have time, I'd like to generate discussion, but I can't at the moment. One quote that really jumped out at me was this from St. Leo clarifying his Tome after the Council: "...the actions were of one Person all the time...but we perceive from the character of the acts what belongs to either form." Can we say patristic "ordo theologiae?" Not a hint of "Augustinism" in that statement. Photios It was an okay essay. I thought there were some real problems with it in some places. As I have time, I’d like to generate discussion, but I can’t at the moment. One quote that really jumped out at me was this from St. Leo clarifying his Tome after the Council: “…the actions were of one Person all the time…but we perceive from the character of the acts what belongs to either form.”

Can we say patristic “ordo theologiae?” Not a hint of “Augustinism” in that statement.

Photios

]]> By: Joseph http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1579 Joseph Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:02:01 +0000 http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1579 Has anyone had a chance to plow through the paper that William referenced above?? I just finished it last night and would love to see a discussion of it. Joseph Has anyone had a chance to plow through the paper that William referenced above?? I just finished it last night and would love to see a discussion of it.

Joseph

]]> By: Michael http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1561 Michael Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:20:27 +0000 http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1561 I also beg the response of the learned to my question at the bottom of the "Directing the Course" thread on Filioque, particularly about the SCOBA agreed statement with the Catholic theologians. I also beg the response of the learned to my question at the bottom of the “Directing the Course” thread on Filioque, particularly about the SCOBA agreed statement with the Catholic theologians.

]]> By: neochalcedonian http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1556 neochalcedonian Sun, 04 Mar 2007 14:56:28 +0000 http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1556 I want your take on this essay I found online. The thesis is extremely bold: "The purpose of this paper is to determine the logical meaning of the Chalcedonian Definition of the Faith and to show that the doctrine of the double procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father "and the Son" (Filioque) based upon the theory of psychological analogy is logically incompatible with it." http://faculty.washington.edu/ewebb/ChTh&Fil.html I want your take on this essay I found online. The thesis is extremely bold:

“The purpose of this paper is to determine the logical meaning of the Chalcedonian Definition of the Faith and to show that the doctrine of the double procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father “and the Son” (Filioque) based upon the theory of psychological analogy is logically incompatible with it.”

http://faculty.washington.edu/ewebb/ChTh&Fil.html

]]> By: Sophocles http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1513 Sophocles Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:02:18 +0000 http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1513 Dear Energies Guys, Uh, sorry to be a bugger, but a while back on "When Being Catholic Isn't" I asked you guys a few questions(down towards the bottom). I'm interested especially i the question about monasticism. In fellopwship and in Christ, Dear Energies Guys,

Uh, sorry to be a bugger, but a while back on “When Being Catholic Isn’t” I asked you guys a few questions(down towards the bottom). I’m interested especially i the question about monasticism.

In fellopwship and in Christ,

]]> By: Don Bradley http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1509 Don Bradley Fri, 02 Mar 2007 05:58:52 +0000 http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1509 Recently I was mildly reproved, albeit indirectly, for engaging in discussions like those that occur here. Needless to say, I disagree with their analysis. It was seen as useless to "the salvation of our souls". My immediate reaction was, "What of the salvation of our minds?!" Though I am a mere over-the-road trucker, my mind needs to know that what I'm recieving from the Orthodox Church is correct and I didn't just get lucky in my choice of kool-aid. This is my favorite blog to visit. It's cool to see Dr. Farrell post now and then. Want to hear a good one? I am 1200 miles from home, yet I have in my truck a copy of "Mystagogy" with an introduction by Dr. Farrell that I got in a used bookstore in Phoenix 8 years ago. What a hoot. Recently I was mildly reproved, albeit indirectly, for engaging in discussions like those that occur here. Needless to say, I disagree with their analysis. It was seen as useless to “the salvation of our souls”.

My immediate reaction was, “What of the salvation of our minds?!” Though I am a mere over-the-road trucker, my mind needs to know that what I’m recieving from the Orthodox Church is correct and I didn’t just get lucky in my choice of kool-aid.

This is my favorite blog to visit. It’s cool to see Dr. Farrell post now and then. Want to hear a good one? I am 1200 miles from home, yet I have in my truck a copy of “Mystagogy” with an introduction by Dr. Farrell that I got in a used bookstore in Phoenix 8 years ago. What a hoot.

]]> By: Sophocles http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1491 Sophocles Thu, 01 Mar 2007 07:35:53 +0000 http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1491 Dear Acolyte and Photios, Please continue what you are doing. Your voice is needed and this site has helped me many times to return to a center of our Holy Church. May the truth of Orthodoxy spread, may our gracious Lord open the eyes of all who have not come to see Her as His Bride. I really mean it my brothers in Christ. In fellowship and in Christ, Sophocles Dear Acolyte and Photios,

Please continue what you are doing. Your voice is needed and this site has helped me many times to return to a center of our Holy Church. May the truth of Orthodoxy spread, may our gracious Lord open the eyes of all who have not come to see Her as His Bride. I really mean it my brothers in Christ.

In fellowship and in Christ,
Sophocles

]]> By: Matt http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1486 Matt Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:52:18 +0000 http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1486 Perry, Fair enough. Incidently, if you are choosing the additional contributors by popular referendum -- and somehow I doubt that you are :) -- my votes would go to STK and Dr. Tighe respectively. I have read valuable insights from both of them. Perry,

Fair enough. Incidently, if you are choosing the additional contributors by popular referendum — and somehow I doubt that you are :) — my votes would go to STK and Dr. Tighe respectively. I have read valuable insights from both of them.

]]> By: acolyte http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1482 acolyte Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:16:55 +0000 http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1482 Matt, No and here is why. This is one of the only places I know that discusses what we do. That makes us unique. Once we become like everyone else, there's no significance to us. Secondly, it is better to do a few things well than many things poorly. We are trying, casually, to do a few things well. At most we will be adding contributors. This doesn't mean that we can't take it to the streets. I firmly believe you can use much of this material in popular apologetics. The trick is coming back down into the cave by using examples, questions and metaphors that the audience can grasp, without sacrificing content. Matt,

No and here is why. This is one of the only places I know that discusses what we do. That makes us unique. Once we become like everyone else, there’s no significance to us. Secondly, it is better to do a few things well than many things poorly. We are trying, casually, to do a few things well. At most we will be adding contributors.

This doesn’t mean that we can’t take it to the streets. I firmly believe you can use much of this material in popular apologetics. The trick is coming back down into the cave by using examples, questions and metaphors that the audience can grasp, without sacrificing content.

]]> By: Matt http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1481 Matt Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:08:34 +0000 http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/we-are-legion/#comment-1481 P+P, Have you two considered expanding the scope of the blog a bit? Perhaps you could post some thoughts about how Christians -- and not just not just Orthodox ;) -- should approach those of other religions (Islam, Jewdaism, Mormon, etc.) as well as conversations with atheists and agnostics. Also, I would be interested in more practical evangelism techniques -- ie What do you discuss with people who aren't interested in advanced theological conversations about ADS, Monoenergism, etc. P+P,

Have you two considered expanding the scope of the blog a bit? Perhaps you could post some thoughts about how Christians — and not just not just Orthodox ;) — should approach those of other religions (Islam, Jewdaism, Mormon, etc.) as well as conversations with atheists and agnostics. Also, I would be interested in more practical evangelism techniques — ie What do you discuss with people who aren’t interested in advanced theological conversations about ADS, Monoenergism, etc.

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